Dr. Nick Touran, Ph.D., P.E.,
, Reading time: 42 minutes
Alvin Weinberg was an original Manhattan Project scientist who dramatically
influenced the development of nuclear energy. He’s a nuclear energy titan. In
August, 2010, I purchased and read Alvin Weinberg’s autobiography, The First
It so moved me that I wrote
a 5-star review, which concluded:
It’s like he’s a guiding light, speaking to me about my passions from the
grave. An eloquent writer, his book is not necessarily targeted towards
engineers like myself, but would be very worthwhile to anyone interested in
nuclear enterprise, or energy in general. I extremely highly recommend this to
my peers and highly recommend it to everyone else.
Well, nearly a decade has come on gone since then, and I have matured into a
not-so-young engineer with much more perspective than I had then. I decided to
re-read it, and take notes this time. I present my notes here publicly with hope
that the brilliance of Alvin Weinberg will live on and be read by even more
people. I include some relevant hyperlinks in my notes to the various things he
speaks of that I was able to track down.
3 - Entrance to Univ of Chicago coincided with the University
president’s New Plan, where in
the first 2 years, all students took humanities, social science, biological
sciences, and physical sciences and pass a 6-hour exam in each. He’s grateful
for those years for the large survey of Western knowledge. Interestingly, Carl
Sagan also expressed his “luck” in having studied under this philosophy.
Became a synthetic thinker, rather than an analytic one.
5 - During depression, everyone was arguing amongst one another about the best
course of action, eager to set things right.
6 - Worked under Eckart on
quantum mechanical Hamiltonian for triatomic molecules like CO2 to understand
things like IR absorption for his masters degree (e.g. the thing that causes
climate change!). Here’s a paper they
7 - worked with Rashevsky on early Mathematical Biophysics (here’s his Ph.D.
8- Ph.D. work was on cell metabolism related to concentration gradients and
diffusion. He learned the classical mathematical theory of diffusion here.
This was why he got involved in pioneering the field of neutron diffusion
theory (which is still used to this day to model the movement of neutrons in
10 - Eckart was W’s role model at least until he met Eugene
Chapter 2: The Metallurgical Laboratory and Eugene Wigner’s Hanford
This chapter covers Weinberg’s time in the Manhattan Project, struggling to
build reactors that could produce plutonium for the bomb.
12 - W showed Wigner his beryllium diffusion problems. Wigner understood
deeply in minutes, suggested next few weeks of work. He says:
From my very first meeting I sensed that here was a theoretical physicist of
an order I had never before encountered.”
15 - Fermi did a series of successive exponential piles with purer uranium and
purer graphite. No one knew if a chain reaction with natural uranium was
possible or not.
18 - Wigner directed them to study moderation by heavy water, light water, and
beryllium. Heavy water was best but hard to come by, though easier to make
than enriched uranium. Hitler used it with uranium
22 - For high powered Pu-producing reactors, Helium seemed like the natural coolant because it was
neutron-transparent. Wigner worried: high
temperature helium-cooling was an engineering nightmare: how to contain high-temperature fission
products, put in large compressors, and remove plutonium without losing helium?
Wigner was really concerned about Nazi progress and worked tirelessly as a result.
23 - Wigner proposed ordinary water coolant, with much confidence in his theoretical calculations.
Would allow low temperature, low-pressure, no boiling. He prevailed and sketched out the plant in
a report called CE-140 (which I’m unable to find online). I judge that this step alone, rooted
in perceived reliability and simplicity, is what led more than anything to our water-cooled,
water-moderated reactors that dominate industry today (these were water-cooled, graphite moderated
24 - Wigner ran bull sessions, laying out argument, listing pros and cons, hearing out opinions of
all those present, and then making the final decisions for each design characteristic. I
personally love this style of technical management.
25 - Since uranium was scarce, they designed Hanford reactors to be overmoderated, which made
them unstable to water boiling, just as happened decades later at Chernobyl. The engineering
contractor, DuPont, handled this
with flow orifices to push any blockage out. Called it Boiling Disease.
26 - Complete 500 MW design published as CE-407. Design took 4 months. (Report may be reproduced
here, though I have not gotten the PDF).
28 - Wigner hated that DuPont wanted to move slowly and check things and thought they had ulterior
motives for later profit. But engineering and building a big reactor is difficult, and Wigner
later apologized. DuPont saved Hanford by conservatively adding enough fuel tubes to compensate for the unexpected
32 - Heavy water was code-named P-9. They
investigated it in case other options failed. P-9 is such a good moderator that you don’t need to
lump the uranium, you can just do a homogeneous mixture of uranium and heavy water. This sparked
interest in fluid fuel reactors that lives on to this day (e.g. in Molten Salt
33 - A small P-9 lattice pile was built in the Argonne forest at 300 kW called
34 - Heavy water Pu-production reactors were built later, in 1953 at Savannah
River. Earlier, a P-9 10 MW
NRX reactor was built in Canada, sending them on
the CANDU path
35 - X-10 reactor at what became ORNL was a
small air-cooled 1 MW pilot to get enough Pu to shake down the separations chemistry before the
big reactors at Hanford came online.
36 - X-10 produced enough Pu to understand Pu-240 and spontaneous fission, which would
predetonate. Devastating news. Implosion
bomb was designed that compressed much faster, but if
that didn’t work, Wigner proposed using the Pu-240-tainted Plutonium in a converter reactor with
Thorium-232, which would generate fissile Uranium-233, which could be used in a gun-type weapon.
There was some uncertainty about the spontaneous fission of U-232, and also its alpha emissions
causing (alpha, n) reactions in impurities like beryllium. In the end, the implosion design worked,
and the thorium weapons path was not needed. But Wigner’s converter design was highly influential as
the first heterogeneous plate-type highly enriched water cooled/moderated reactor. This
foreshadows the submarine reactors and eventually modern LWRs.
39 - After Hanford was running, team turned to design power reactors. This was the first big
exploration of the different types of reactors that could be built. Lee Ohlinger minutes from the
New Piles Committee are apparently awesome. Good reads on the earliest reactor concepts. Try to
find!!! Breeder idea April 26, 1944. In 2004, ANS published some
info on the New Piles meetings including
some references. I have found many of the documents at the ORNL library
by searching for MUC-LAO in the report number. For example, this
one discusses some pretty wild reactors.
These are the first documented reactor brainstorming sessions.
40 - Only a few thousand tons of uranium known. This (incorrect) assumption led to the push for
breeder reactors early on, since it was thought that was the only way to make significant
world-scale energy. As more uranium was discovered, this appears to this day to not be true, though
in the long term, breeders are still needed to make nuclear truly
sustainable/renewable on a
41 - Fermi warned against proliferation and radiation first:
It is not clear that the public will
accept an energy source that produces this much radioactivity and that can be subject to diversion
of material for bombs.
44 - after the Battle of Bulge it was suggested by
Zinn to put the Hanford radioactive waste in the way
of the German tanks!!
Chapter 3: Clinton Laboratories — Where Man First Created Huge Quantities of Radioactivity
48 - W visited Gabon in 1976 making a documentary in nuclear energy. Find it!
Shoot, I cannot find it. There was a natural nuclear reactor in
billion years ago, called Oklo. When the Earth was formed, natural uranium
enrichment was above 20%!
50 - PWR could not be used to make plutonium but it could chain react with low
enrichment. This yet again counters the myth that light-water moderated
reactors were developed for military purposes.
52 - Navy interest in nuclear started really when
Rickover came to ORNL’s
school on reactors, called ORSORT.
ORSORT was the prototype for nuclear engineering curriculum, and even had the
senior reactor design project!
invented by one such design project to lengthen cycle length in remote
59 - Rickover preferred sodium coolant at first for submarines, for thermal
efficiency reasons. Weinberg changed his mind to water because it’s simple and
Rickover had a curious Jewish ghetto childhood and came off as someone who had
nothing to lose.
W Zinn apparently couldn’t work with Rickover for long
63 - occupational limit was 100 mrem/day back then.
Mice were dosed to see dose response. Wonder how that worked out.
66 - The Bulletin of Atomic
started with guys like Weinberg writing that civilians should control nuclear
stuff, but later got captured by anti-nuclear activists and viewed nuclear as
67 - ORNL in 1946 had poor scientific leadership,: the director did not know
enough to have an idea where nuclear enterprise should go.
thought ANL under Zinn should do reactors and ORNL should do separations,
isotopes, and waste. ORNL was sad to be left with garbage. They sang vulgar
new year ditties about AEC f*ing them clearly.
69 - Maybe if ORNL chemical engineering had actually focused on nuclear waste
issues, things would have worked out better in the end. Probably!
made close to NYC because it was thought that no good lab should be in the
hills of Tennessee where there are no great universities or independent
71 - Weinberg accepted directorship on the condition that scientists could
have more than the 2-week vacation allowed by the Carbide contractors at the
time. Jesus, 2 weeks!
74- original PWR letter. They envisioned magnetic CR’s rather than vessel
penetrations. Also considered thorium slurry PWRs. Nice. Here’s the
citation, but no full copy online.
Chapter 4: Research Reactors: ORNL’s Scientific Centerpiece
76 - W considered ORNLs long-term goal to be the development of fluid fuel
78 - State of lab speech about how reactors are the only way the lab will
survive. Labs must do horizontal reactor work. Leave vertical development
(scaling up) to industry. Thus, the Homogeneous Reactor Experiment (a test of
an Aqueous Homogeneous
Reactor) was of
84 - LITR was a mechanical mockup of MTR but they later loaded it with fuel
and flowed water to see if there’d be any effect of moving moderator on the
neutronics. There wasn’t.
85 - LITR was first observation of Cerenkov radiation. They sent a photo to
Scientific American and the AEC freaked in a “brouhaha”. Haha. It was on the
86 - Bulk Shielding Reactor (BSR) was MTR in a swimming pool for shield design
of Nautilus and nuclear aircraft. It was done cheaply and was copied into
hundreds of universities. The basis of the Swimming Pool
87 - a copy of the Bulk Shielding Facility (BSF) was built in 5 months in
Geneva for 1955 UN conference on Peaceful uses of Atomic energy. It was later
sold to Switzerland for $250k and operated at 10 MW for many years. People lined
up for hours to see it. Challenge was to make it 20% enriched instead of 93%.
Some nice photos of the entire exhibit and conference can be found in the 500
page US Delegation report. In
fact, many of the 15 volumes of proceedings from the conference are
88 - ORR had confinement at negative pressure, not containment. Early use of term?
89 - Tom Cole did a maximum consequence report that was horrendous. W refused to release it
because it had no mechanism. Today he’d be castigated, he thinks, but at least the low probability
would be released too.
90 - HFIR was inspired by Seaborg’s
desire to make CF252 and then irradiate it in accelerators to make heavier things. Apparently
things that need two neutrons to reach get produced at a rate proportional to flux^2. 3 neutrons
required: flux^3 and so on. Flux traps were made with beryllium where neutrons live much longer
without getting absorbed. At MTR, flux was several times higher in flux traps than in the core.
94 - W was sad that the lab removed X-10 from its logo, Thinks maybe new scientists in the age of
nuclear disillusionment are less proud of the labs reactor history. He, however thinks research
reactors will always be the essence of the lab. Today, the ORNL logo is a damned oak leaf!
Chapter 5: Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion
Little do most people realize, the air force spent nearly $1B in the 1950s on
getting nuclear powered long-range bombers. The eventual development of the ICBM
eliminated the need for this.
96 - Oct 11 1945, Chicago tribune said “predicts atom will end limit on plane
97 - engineers started thinking airplanes could work, partly because ICBMs
were dreams in 1948, and partly because of “autocatalytic optimism”. (I love
100 - Aircraft Nuclear
temperature reactors with solid fuel will come out looking like spaghetti. Ed
Bettis came up with candidate: fluoride salts
102 - 6 years of systematic study of high temp materials, valves, pumps, and
fluorides for and was one of the biggest contributions of ORNL. Funded for
was originally to be oxide fueled. But they changed to fluid. This was the
first molten salt reactor (but not the first fluid-fuel reactor).
It was setting alarms off all the time so they hooked a construction
compressor to it and blew the radioactive gasses into the nearby forest. W
suggested that some reactor design admin staff be on site so that they would
subject themselves to the radiation they asked the operators to withstand
after shutdown, pipe ruptured and control room dose rate went to 10
Roentgen/hour, 2000x background.
107 - (I wonder where the beautiful beryllium sphere is today from Aircraft
Reactor Test? I can’t find any pictures.)
Chapter 6: Fluid-Fuel Power Breeders
109 - W got chided out for telling DoD that after a billion $ the ANP was
unlikely to succeed. Soon after, JFK came in and canceled the program. Reactor
people at ORNL accused W of treachery.
109 - Reactor development, like any heavy-engineering development, is an
inverted pyramid: at the apex of the pyramid is the original idea, supported
by theory and a few experiments; but as the chosen system becomes and
engineering and then a commercial reality, the resources required to carry out
the development increase greatly.
111 - GE worked on intermediate spectrum breeders
2nd nuclear electricity was from ORNL HRE homogeneous reactors experiment.
113 - GE converted their failed intermediate breeder into a sodium submarine
reactor that powered the seawolf, but Rickover chose PWRs.
128 - burning rocks and sea paper, and case for breeding in nucleonics (Power
Breeding as a National Objective, Nucleonics, vol 16, no 8, pp 75-6).
(Sheesh, I can’t find anything about Nucleonics online. Someone please
digitize!!). He also refers to Energy as the Ultimate Raw Material, which at
least has a reference
129 - admits dismissing solar as too expensive, though this may not always be
Lee Haworth projected 700 GW by 2000, motivating breeders more. Today, there
are ~100 GWe of nuclear in the USA
130 - full concise view of why MSR was cancelled. Clear. SFR got in first, and
MSR was considered too different. New and different technologies must both
show that they are feasible and also convince influential people that
they’re worth pursuing. Also, he hopes that MSR will be resurrected if
weaknesses show in SFR. He’d be happy with the current state of affairs where
multiple startups are working on various MSR manifestations.
Why didn’t the molten-salt system, so elegant and so well thought-out,
prevail? I’ve already given the political reason: that the fast breeder
arrived first and was therefore able to consolidate its political position
within the AEC. But there was another, more technical reason. The
molten-salt technology is entirely different from the technology of any
other reactor. To the inexperienced, molten-salt technology is daunting.
This certainly seemed to be Milton Shaw’s attitude toward molten salts —
and he after all was director of reactor development at the AEC during the
molten-salt development. Perhaps the moral to be drawn is that a technology
that differs too much from existing technology has not one hurdle to
overcome — to demonstrate its feasibility — but another even greater one
— to convince influential individuals and organizations who are
intellectually and emotionally attached to a different technology that they
should adopt the new path. This, the molten-salt system could not do. It was
a successful technology that was dropped because it was too different from
the main lines of reactor development. But if weaknesses in other systems
are eventually revealed, I hope that in a second nuclear era, the
molten-salt technology will be resurrected.
Chapter 7: Economic Nuclear Power is Here?
133 - Ken Davis insisted that nukes must choose a single path and pushed LWR
134 - Oyster creek, BWR for $129/kW. Euphoria. Economic nuclear power is here,
W shouted, 1964.
135 - Extreme caution is necessary when one speaks of untried reactors. Great
bible quote: he who is putting on his armor shouldn’t boast like he who is
taking it off!
Phil Hammond was fanatical about bigger being cheaper. Economies of scale.
Jim Lampert, the
Rickover of Army
that you don’t have to be a total bastard to head a successful reactor
development. ORNL did preliminary design of Camp Century (see: this
incredible video featuring
Muckluck the dog) and
in Antarctica, and Ft. Belvoir. Too difficult and costly to maintain.
Interestingly some military elements are showing interest in small nuclear
138 - ORNL was tech consultant for the nuclear merchant ship NS
Savannah. It operated, but was too
138 - Experimental Gas Cooled Reactor (EGCR) near ORNL was a response that the
us should build a gas cooled reactor to see what the Brits liked so much.
140 - Blowers, valves, controls had to be tested and even designed. Doing it
right on huge power reactors is much harder than MTR and hfir.
By 1965 it got too expensive and was only 50%. Got canned. Bethel valley road:
146 - They coined “nuclear powered agro-industrial complexes” – Detroit/Yale
kids I spoke to once would have loved this.
147 - W gives Zinger to Rubin (soon PM of Israel) when asked if it was silly:
But Mr ambassador, is our drawing up of plans in Tennessee for agro
industrial complexes for the middle east any sillier than Theodore Herzl’s
drawing up of plans for Israel, in a Vienna cafe in 1896?
By late 1960s, GE price list was proven way too low and LA’s dreams of 1.6 GW
desal nearby went away. Prices were 3x GE list.
148 - W visualizes new technological society based almost entirely in
electricity! Other industrial uses besides desal. Ammonia, gasoline from coal,
iron, chlorine, aluminium, steel, acetylene. This is still a big topic as we
shift from carbon-intensive fossil fuels for industrial process heat.
150 - after speech, he heard mumbles of charlatanism and gross overoptimism
from practical reactor developers. He had accepted impossibly low costs
because he wanted to. It was only human, after making the bomb.
151 - social vs technological fixes and side effects. Social fixes can cause
side effects too, like for instance Marxism. Hydrogen bomb was a Technical fix
for a social problem that prevented WW3.
Chapter 9: International Euphoria
154 - Mentions German uranium lattice of cubes in a uranium bath with correct
spacing. Thus, no secret, anyone can do it. W analyzed Nazi efforts soon after
154 - W thinks French may consider chain reaction largely a French discovery.
156- Europe really in to nuclear because they mostly don’t have cheap fossil
fuel like USA and Russia. After Suez crisis in 1956, things really picked up
157 - Karl Wirtz of Germany had
correct but slightly strained relations with other Europeans
158 - Best people were working on H
bomb or went back to
universities in US. In Europe, very good people were working more urgently on
civilian npps. Rickover couldn’t tolerate Zinn, who was way smarter than
Rickover. Karl Cohen and W Zinn were the best left going reactors in us.
158 - W went on nuclear
Chautauqua’s, which means adult
teaching sessions. Omg brilliant word.
159 - Kurchatov in USSR was the father of bomb and civilian programs,
equivalent of Fermi, Oppenheimer, and Lawrence
Weinberg met Feinberg in USSR (twr guy!?). Lots of laughs with names. Also
Spitzer and Pitzer.
Dollezhal was pushing steam cooled graphite moderated reactor. But oops
Chernobyl happened 27 years after the visit.
161 - E Nishibori in Japan hosted Weinberg in the beginning (1959). Was
excited about molten salt. But his support never got too far as Japan built
sad: Anti-nuclear malaise was not in sight in Japan when w wrote this.
162 - preached Thorium-MSR mostly.
165 - Ralph Nader claimed that his antinuclear bias was a reaction to
Reactor in Yugoslavia was not in combat zone but worth worrying about.
167- Kanupp reactor in Pakistan operated poorly, illustrating that current
NPPs are inappropriate for poor, technically unsophisticated countries
168 - Lewis Strauss conceived of atoms for peace and sold it to Eisenhower.
169 - Obninsk
(called worlds first atomic power station) was a prototype RBMK
170 - 15 volumes of first international conference on the peaceful uses of
atomic energy are a good handbook. Look up! (already did, see above)
171 - W and Wigner book written so the definitive book wouldn’t be of Russian
origin! Mostly Wigner’s writing and scrutiny. Given out at Geneva II.
173 - W laments that computer codes beat out classical analysis methods with
Bessel functions and Legendre polynomials. Thinks real understanding and
insight comes from classics. But self-aware that this breed is dying out.
Chapter 10: Nuclear Reality: The Faustian Bargain
175 - Lilienthal first
went public with opposition to nuclear energy in 1963.
Good framing of antinuclear sentiment.
176 - ANS paper has Faustian bargain
and then in a 1972 paper titled “Social Institutions and Nuclear
Energy,” I first used the
expression “Faustian bargain” to characterize nuclear energy: “We nuclear
people have made a Faustian bargain with society. On the one hand we offer
— in the catalytic nuclear burner (i.e., the breeder) — an inexhaustible
source of energy. Even in the short range, when we use ordinary reactors, we
offer energy that is cheaper than energy from fossil fuel. Moreover, this
source of energy when properly handled is almost nonpolluting. Whereas
fossil-fuel burners emit oxides of carbon, nitrogen, and sulfur … there is
no intrinsic reason why nuclear systems must emit any pollutant except heat
and traces of radioactivity.”
“But the price that we demand of society for this magical source is both a
vigilance from and longevity of our social institutions that we are quite
My characterization of nuclear energy as a Faustian bargain made me
unpopular within the nuclear industry — but I became known among critics
of nuclear energy as a sort of in-house conscience — a member of the
nuclear community who was willing to voice doubts.
177 - W defends the regulator, says nuclear people weren’t addressing public
concerns and regulator reflects public.
Talk to Nader’s critical mass group was the worst. Cat calls. Shudder.
180 - says Libyans would send students to Oregon State University to learn how
to do isotope separations. To OSU with Libyans in the class!
Will UN respond to NK as it did to Iraq for proliferation? He hopes so.
181 - waste is less scary than reactors because of potential thermodynamic
182 - low dose effects are like witches, feared because you can’t prove they
didn’t cause a leukemia.
183 - should have made waste design top priority of ORNL
186 - 1985, W wrote about carbon emission free energy for future generation
justice. What a bad ass. Thinks we should build reactors that last forever
given pressure vessel replacements and whatnot.
190 - Teller first made reactor safety central and established the
ACRS required Hanford w reactors to be rebuilt without positive void worth in 1947.
Designers called it the New Piles Prevention Committee, begrudgingly
191 - NRX control rod in Canada was inadvertently pulled and released lots of
radiation and evacuated the lab. Weinberg had a chill. Jimmy Carter went to
clean up and got an anti-nuclear bias there.
192 - WASH-740 studied epic
disaster. Withheld from public since no mechanism. W thinks in retrospect
that’s a mistake (wait, didn’t he say he did the same at ORNL!?)
193 - Bill Ergen coined the China Syndrome for big reactors that could fail
containment. Realization that containment could fail shifted strategy from
saying reactors are totally safe to saying that the probability of catastrophe
195 - we who work on nuclear energy are exercising our highest social
responsibility when we study, understand, and remove dangers associated with
nuclear energy (to alleviate population pressures).
196 - Epler asks what happens if BWR turbine trips, bubbles collapse, and CR’s
don’t go in due to a common mode failure. What then!?
198 - Discussion of Milton Shaw. Rickover cloth. Like a bull. Student of
ORSORT: neither best nor worst student.
199 - Chet Holifield gets mad at W and says it may be time for him to leave
nuclear energy due to his work on reactor safety. Speechless. But defended by
Floyd Culler. W and AEC lost lots of trust. Angry W had dinner with Ralph
Nader after this. He’s not too proud but he also was pissed that AEC was being
outrageous. The nuclear industry still does this to people who raise concerns
in some cases.
Chapter 11: Smolny Institute on the Potomac
W was fired soon after and was shocked. His wife had also died 3 years
earlier. Sad. But in the end it was great that he was fired.
204 - in DC he popped Valium and walked on dangerous streets at night somewhat
hoping to be jumped by some tough guy. Depressed. Sad.
208 - Project Independent Blueprint used econometric modeling on big
computers. This raised cynicism in W for econometric modeling and policy
making. This was part of Nixon’s Project
notably reduced highway speed limits to 55 MPH. I believe
is one of the reports, but it doesn’t have a scan. W thinks the Project
Blueprint thing was to distract people from Watergate.
209 - GE consultant said the first nuclear era was over in 1974 and economists
expected US to be fine if it was abandoned altogether. W hoped a second era of
breeders would come and last forever.
210 - put 10 breeders on each of 100 sites for 1000 reactors.
W proposed that the government build a solar national lab, and it happened,
211 - suggested accessing western shale oil! Which later happened via fracking
212 - development of electric vehicle to reduce urban smog! Guesses correctly
that they’ll get popular.
Urged govt to pay attention to energy systems on climate!!!
These recommendations, published in
1974, really show that
Weinberg was ahead of his time. So wise.
214 - Became huge promoter of remarrying. Best thing ever for happiness.
Convinced a dozen others to remarry.
Chapter 12: Energy Think Tankery
218 - RAND is a defense think tank, they wanted an energy one. High white
house staff said they’d be the client, so they made one.
W thinks establishing the language and categories of thought to be the most
important step in policy. This very closely echos the concept of Ontology in
W critical of systems analysis for very complex things like biology and
cities. Thinks its fine for ICBMs. Use math where math makes sense to model
interactions, but common sense elsewhere.
222 - at IEA they did an early net energy analysis in response to the idea
nuclear was net negative. A book came out in 1988 with many of their conclusions
called Net Energy Analysis, by Daniel
Ethanol from corn came out worst. Nuclear was like 10x (only!?). Spreng wrote
this related document about
his time at IEA, which is actually really cool.
223 - In 1973 nuclear was faltering and people wanted the government to come
in and save it. Carbon dioxide was just becoming a thing. Interestingly, this
sounds a lot like what’s happening
What’s old is new again!
224 - IEA study still said nuclear moratorium wouldn’t cause the us to freeze
in the dark. Unpopular in the nuclear community, and W was disappointed too.
225 - So we should start thinking of nuclear systems that might be acceptable
for all! Also a solar world.
226 - Solar doable with hydrogen or battery storage, just could be 3x more
expensive. In the end it’s either solar or uranium or fusion. Or a
combination. Responsibility to develop solar too for our children. Old nuke
being pro-renewable is nice to see. I wonder how he’d take the current price
trends, with solar PV falling from $350/kWh to $43/kWh in 10 years (LCOE w/o
227 after TMI, W was skeptical of meltdown-proof reactors and wanted better
institutions. Lilienthal wanted better reactors. Ironic. Lilienthal’s book is
called Atomic Energy: A new
W said at a IEA workshop that drastic action was needed, that a meltdown was
highly likely in the coming decades, not hurting anyone but bankrupting a
utility and compromising the future of nuclear (Fukushima!) If not Chernobyl.
Oh wait, this was before TMI! And general public utilities corp did go
228 - W wrote “Salvaging the atomic age” summarizing the IEAs ideas. See 6
points on this page. Thinks inherently safe reactor is the most important.
230 - IEA had workshop with old nukes to think up new reactors. Group was
skeptical that inherent safety could be done and also that it would change the
…pressurized water had been chosen to power submarines because such
reactors are compact and simple. Their advent on land was entirely due to
Rickover’s dominance in reactor development in the 1950’s’ and once
established, the light-water reactor could not be displaced by a competing
232 - Italy shut down all nukes after Chernobyl.
again says Pius is best bet
In any case, the dominance of the existing vendors, Westinghouse and General
Electric — not to speak of the French Framatome, German KWU, and the
Japanese Hitachi and Toshiba — probably means that the next generation of
reactors will incorporate relatively small improvements on existing types
rather than drastically breaking with existing technology.
I would be somewhat disappointed were this to be the path of nuclear energy
during the coming 25 years. Somewhere in the world there ought to be built a
truly inherently safe reactor — probably a PIUS — so that we might know
rather than guess whether such a device is feasible. To depend forever on
reactors that fall short of this goal would mean doing less than we could or
should do. Yet, on balance, I cannot complain too much. Although our second
nuclear era study had little impact at the time it was issued, its message
— that a second nuclear era ought to be based on reactors that are
perceived as being safer than existing reactors — has now become more or
less conventional wisdom.
233 - transparent safety is a term that means safety is readily
possibility that solar will be developed fast enough that fission is not
235 - in 1975 he began carrying Keeling curves of COw rise around as
justification for nuclear. Bob Seamans established a CO2 effects office at
ERDA (predecessor to DOE)
IEA focused on climate change for the next 8 years! Uncertain
236 - Gregg Maryland and Freeman Dyson publish paper saying 1 trillion trees
per year could absorb all the CO2.
In 1982, Bill Clark was in IEA and published carbon dioxide review and got a
genius award and is a professor at Harvard.
239 - people prefer to use more energy to get places faster, possibly because
we’re all mortal. Thus energy conservation is not primal
Chapter 13: Moonlight Philosophy
242 - Management’s function is to maintain standards and then to show that it
in 1955 suggested in Pittsburgh Natl labs focus on geoengineering and long
term energy and resources needs. Basically as happened to a degree.
247 - W considers his criteria for scientific choice to be one of the best
ideas he’s ever had.
collection of writing in this is in Reflections in Big Science, 1967. Used by
NSF for judging proposals to some degree
249 - W worries that science could go as von Neumann worked about math (in The
Mathematician), I.e. in unrelated directions of leas resistance where
unrelated findings are published in isolation. Wanted a unified vision of
nuclear reactions. : science and trans science , 1992, another paper by w
253 - W wrote in nucleonics about a flood of crappy nuclear books
255 - Govt should worry about scientific communication as well as funding
science so it doesn’t waste its money on duplicate studies, etc.
Science, government, and information SGI) made w an information guy. People
were often surprised that it was the same Weinberg who convinced Rickover to
go with LWRs.
Chapter 14: The Bomb
260 - discussion of using mutually assured survival instead of destruction is
morally superior, with nuclear tipped ABM and civil defense, and a limit of
offensive capability. Nike Zeus ABM
262- March 29 1983 star
wars speech moved
us toward MAS. Shades of Wigner and Teller!
263 - Imagined a defense-protected Build Down of nukes where reduced offense
was balanced by defensive increase to ratchet down.
268 - W wonders if the marches and paper cranes at Hiroshima can transform it
into a religious event, and whether or not that could help assure a permanent
tradition of non-use of nuclear weapons. Terrorism is still the challenge
here, and normal human nature.
Perhaps Hiroshima was necessary to trigger the taboos surrounding further use
of nuclear weaponry. Nagasaki was much more likely unnecessary, given more
than 3 days delay.
General Groves once told W that he alone was responsible for setting the early
date of the Nagasaki bombing
270 - A 4-ton bonshoo bell now sits in the atrium of the Oak Ridge Municipal
Building, like the one in Hiroshima that symbolizes the connection between the
Chapter 15: Could We Have Done Better?
The excitement of limitless energy led him:
No wonder that I more or less ignored the warnings of the early pessimists
— that nuclear energy was far more difficult than > we young enthusiasts
273 - James Conant (Roosevelt’s personal contact with Manhattan project)
predicted in 1951 that nuclear would fail for Fermi’s reasons, and that solar
would displace nuclear. Notably, Conant also didn’t believe for a long time
that a chain reaction would ever be possible.
274 - W brought in Amory Lovins which led to his famous Foreign Affairs paper
and launched his spectacular career on soft-energy paths
W often conceded some main anti-nuclear points and became a token anti-nuclear
nuke who admitted nuclear energy wasn’t without faults.
275 - Centralized societies like France let nuclear flourish, while federal
countries like USA it faltered. Centralized democracies like France are
Rousseauist and Jacobin where the elite implement the will of the people,
whereas US is Jeffersonian with individual freedom and broad public
Nuclear system must be technically sound, but also “right” politically
We know nuclear can be done right because of France and Japan, as well as
Calbert Cliffs-1 and Oconee-3. (pre-fukushima)
277 - Commercial nukes descended from the submarine Nautilus, but
super-containment or super-safety is irrelevant to a warship. Teller preached
underground siting from the beginning, but adding that cost was and maybe
still is out of the question.
278 - W was surprised by the public’s reaction to sequestered radiological
279 - Nuclear energy needs fixing, not extirpation
Way to convince public is to convince the skeptical elite. Pauh Erlich
announced in 1989 to 1,500 students at Virginia Tech that he’d support nuclear
if it was based on inherently safe tech because of greenhouse gas concerns.
280 - Sometimes feels like the old joke about the General who says he got his
first medal by mistake and got the others because of the first one. But he
stopped getting honorary degrees as nuclear fell from favor
281 - Goethe’s Faust was redeemed:
Who e’er aspiring struggles on, for him there is salvation
To deny a rebirth of nuclear energy is to deny human ingenuity and